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Gennady Katsov - about immigration, difficult 2020 and life in the USA

Gennady Katsov is a poet, novelist, essayist, journalist, television and radio host. He has been living in the United States since 1989. From the very beginning of immigration, he has been professionally engaged in journalism. He began his radio and journalistic activities with Peter Weil's program "Above the Barriers" on Radio Liberty. For over 20 years he has hosted daily television programs about politics on the national Russian-American television channel RTN / WMNB. The literary biography of Gennady Katsov began in the mid-1980s in Moscow. He was one of the organizers of the legendary Moscow club "Poetry" and a member of the Moscow literary underground group "Epsilon-Salon".

Photo from the personal archive of Gennady Katsov

In 2011, after an 18-year hiatus, Gennady returned to poetry. Since then, he has published nine collections of poetry, as well as an ecphrastic visual-poetry album "Slovosphere". His poems have been published in leading literary publications in Russia, the USA and Europe in Russian and English, as well as included in the encyclopedic anthology "Samizdat of the Century" (1997) and the anthology "101 Jewish Poems for the Third Millennium (from Ashland Poetry Press, USA, 101) and others.

The coronavirus did not break him, but inspired a new project "Coronaverse - Coronavirus Time Poems". And in February 2021, the poet published the book “On the Western Front. Poems about the war of 2020 ".

ForumDaily talked with Gennady Katsov about immigration, adaptation, creativity and life. It turned out to be a very interesting and poetic interview.

You were the editor-in-chief of The New York City Guide. More than 25 years have passed since then, but such work cannot but leave a mark on the soul. What are your favorite places in New York? Why?

In the second half of the 1990s, when I was the editor-in-chief of the quarterly New York City Guide, a significant part of my book New York Myths: A History with Geography was already written, and on the national EABC television in Dmitry Poletaev's Sunday hour program "Good evening America!" I had a 15 minute segment. In it, I showed New York and told about its history, urban areas, streets, parks, landmarks and legends. The program was popular, and since in those years I lived in Manhattan, even Russian taxi drivers recognized me.

I spent 15 years in Manhattan's Midtown area. The famous Anyway Café at the time, which I co-owned, was on Manhattan's Lower East Side. I also published my weekly newspaper "Pechatny Organ" in Manhattan, so for a decade and a half I practically did not leave the City, as New Yorkers call this one of the districts of New York City. By the way, in order to immediately put an end to the comments from experts: in Russia it is customary to say "in Manhattan". Russians know this is correct, in Russian, since Manhattan is known to be an island (Manhattan Island). At the same time, Manhattan is a territorial legal entity, and when I, following the English-speaking citizens and guests of the city, say “in Manhattan” (in Manhattan), or “in the City” (in the City), this is by no means the case is not a mistake, since we are talking about one of the five urban areas (borough).

My impressions of New York in the mid-1990s are fully reflected in the comic text “Good in New York ":

What lovely Chinese people
Everyone lives in Chinatown.
They cook rice all day
And they all nod their heads

And right there are Italians
Everyone lives in Little Italy.

They cook pizza all day
And all the other noodles.

And close homosexuals are funny
Everyone lives in Greenwich Village.

They cook lunches all day
Stroking each other on the shoulders.

And then kind Latinos
It's easy to live in the East Village,

They will treat you with tequila
And they will sing something languid.

And in the neighborhood there are Ukrainians
Live well and well -

They eat dumplings all day
And wash them down with borscht.

And beyond the Williamsburg Bridge
Ancient Jews live.

They cook matzo all day
They eat it with gefilt-a-fish.

And then the joyful negros
Red Hook has a lot of fun.

They fried popcorn
And there are different barbecues.

And a little to the south there are many Russians
Brighton Beach is full of life -

They will greet you with bread and salt
And they will treat you to strong vodka.

And much further in the ocean
Right behind the Statue of Liberty,

They say there are Australians
That they live with the Europeans.

And there are many Europeans,
They play different football

And they are eating something wrong.

Yes, we are not interested in
We have all kinds of food
It's good for us and New York!

From the New York districts, I do not know well Queens, named after Queen Catherine Braganza after the capture by the British in 1664 of the Dutch city of New Amsterdam on the Hudson River (at the same time it was renamed New York); and Staten Island - the name of the "island of the States General" remained so from the Dutch; somewhat better - the Bronx (the Bronx - it also received its name from the Dutch, who owned the island from 1624 to 1664: in the Bronx there was a farm of the lawyer Bronk, who in the 1640s reconciled the population of Fort New Amsterdam with the Indians. In honor of this, the territory was named a Dutch lawyer.With the definite article the so it sounds, in the English manner - not the Bronk, but the Bronx).

Brooklyn studied pretty well, and Manhattan went up and down. It is curious that visitors to New York often cannot believe that the city of skyscrapers, an iconic metropolis, a world financial center, etc., is 80 years older than St. Petersburg.

In Manhattan, I lived on the Waste Side, in a twentieth-floor tenement house with a mesmerizing view of the sedate, calm Hudson River. So often my favorite place was a wide window with a narrow sill, almost the entire wall. The sunset over the Hudson, with a huge fiery red fan descending beyond northern New Jersey, with multi-colored highlights on the water flowing mannered to the Brooklyn Bridge and with touching impressionistic figures of yachts and tugs - it was impossible to take your eyes off.

Of the other favorite places in New York, I will immediately name Central Park, since I lived seven blocks from it. I rode his bike, loved to attend concerts in open areas in the summer, and when my daughter was born in 1999, I walked with her around Central Park every day: I went there as if I did my favorite job.

Every year on December 8, the day of John Lennon's death, he came to Strawberry Glade, where thousands of Beatles and Lennon fans gathered - and spent many hours there. In one of my last books, "The New York Primer", in the first part of which there are 33 chapters according to the number of letters in the Russian alphabet, from "Amsterdam" (A) to "Yabloko" (Z), because the second name of New York is Big apple, "Strawberry meadow", of course, with the letter Z:

"Strawberry meadow"

"And the hug does not end ..."

Remembered at that moment. West Side, 6.12pm, July 13

Entering the park: now, finally, you waited, entered -
to the positive, cherished corner of Smultronstället,
where Borg and John and Yoko are already well,
because, Imagine, there is peace and freedom.

This place is beloved and sacred, here the victims are honored:
temple of love, heavenly music, eternal buzz, consent -
on a December day, I watched Kolya Vasin cry,
like a river of music lovers flowed all day. And it flows.

Here is salt and flour underfoot, wine will be spilled,
the temple is not destroyed again, it is famous for its gifts,
and, Imagine: there is no other religion in the world,
than one where there is no hell and heaven. And there is no word "amen".

Acres two and a half to the whole Central Park, to the planet,
there is no such glade for the whole cosmos (no!).

The recently deceased Kolya Vasin is a well-known Beatles fan. A unique museum dedicated to the group was opened in his St. Petersburg apartment. Near Strawberry Glade, on 72nd Street, is the Dakota house, where Lennon lived with Yoko Ono, and at the entrance to which he was shot.

Another place in Manhattan is the so-called Museum Mile. Along Fifth Avenue on the Upper East Side, there are 11 museums, more than a mile, and some of them (Metropolitan Museum of Art, Design Museum, Jewish Museum, Frick Collection, Neue Gallery, Guggenheim Museum), and a little further - MoMA, you just can't help but visit. Since the fine arts for me is no less a part of my life than literature, I spent a lot of time in these places, and many of the 180 paintings that were illustratively included in my ecphrastic poetry collection "Slovosphere" (2013) - from the collections these museums.

You can talk a lot about your favorite places. There are wonderful islands of relaxation, usually invisible from the streets and avenues - with cozy benches and fountains, water flowing down vertical planes and walls entwined with ivy.

Walks in the East and Greenwich Villages are wonderful. I also love these neighborhoods because they are full of jazz and rock clubs and experimental theaters of Off-of-Broadway - and this is something for which neither the time nor the money is spared. Performances in these theaters are often even more impressive than the top programs at the annual Summer Arts Festival at Lincoln Center, or the annual Fall Next Wave at the incredibly interesting and varied programs of the Brooklyn Arts Center BAM.

As for restaurants and bars, first of all - "Russian Samovar" and "Russian Rumochnaya": it is always noisy, fun and there are many acquaintances. If you go according to the American list, then here it is necessary to divide according to national cuisines, and this will take up a lot of space, since the assortment in New York is unimaginably wide.

New York is worth getting around, feeling, putting into words, remembering intentionally and accidentally ... And if it turns out that this is your city, you will remain grateful to it for the rest of your life. Just now I read the literary critic and literary critic Olga Balla in the book "Wildflower" "... when you read" your "book, you want it - and it turns out! - to live. Reading quality and vital force are closely and directly related to each other. By the way, the same is with (other) cities, with their (whole body) reading and re-reading. If they go there for what, then is it not primarily for the sake of increasing life in oneself and improving its quality? "

“In 2011, after an almost 18-year hiatus, he returned to poetry,” Wikipedia writes about you. What was the reason for the break?

Recently I was invited to his TV program "Minority Opinion" on the RTN / WMNB channel by journalist Alexander Grant, a brilliant connoisseur of Russian poetry and world literature, a very rare reader who quotes his favorite poets of the Silver Age from memory in pages. He asked me the same question. In his version it sounded something like this: “Poetry is thinking in images. With this they are born, this is a gift of God. What, you can just like that, for 18 years, give up the type of thinking given by God? Is it possible at all? "

As for me, this question has long been answered by our all - A. Pushkin, twenty lines of the poem "Poet". Well, Apollo did not demand me to sacrifice for nearly twenty years, and that's it! By March 21, World Poet Day, I wrote a poem-allusion to the classic Pushkin, in twenty, of course, lines, somewhat modernizing them, but the theme is the same (not written to the poet, and “... among the children of the insignificant world, bPerhaps he is the most insignificant of all ... "):

does not require a poet yet
to the sacred sacrifice of Apollo,

he will cook pasta,
add alfredo sauce,
sprinkle cheddar just right,
even better - grated "mozzarella":
harder than the fried eggs that burned,
closing a couple of eyes the other day

but only a divine verb
touches a sensitive hearing -
he won't go to watch football
and, as happened, will not get drunk!
Microsoft will insert its poet
in the croup of a golden-maned pegasus,
will open a "Word" - five hundred letters
chased strings for eye-diamond
will fill at the start: the muse on-
dictates into the ear from the ai-background ...
bye the poet's wife
cooks pasta in the kitchen.

I explained to Grant in more detail that, on the one hand, I was extremely busy, there was only enough time for journalistic articles and essays, and simply “it wasn’t written”. But on the other hand, this is a "non-letter" - the opposite of another topic, when "it is impossible not to write." It happens that it is not written, and I am not the only one who has had this for years. But, in another version, it happens that you cannot help but write: an image, a line, a rhythm, a catching thought or rhyme appears in your head - and you have not slept since four in the morning, and, cursing insomnia, you begin to invent something, line after line until you come to some point when the result is more or less satisfactory to you. Two sides of the same coin.

In 1994 I opened my own weekly newspaper and wrote two or three articles for each issue. This is in addition to solving a variety of publishing and editorial issues. In 1995, Café Anyway joined this, where I shared my daily work with partners. We broke up a seven-day workday for each of the three partners, and if there was a bass-fight on my day, then at five or six in the morning I washed the floors, dishes and took out the garbage from the room. If the cook went home at XNUMX am, and at half past one the company appeared and took a table, then I stood at the stove and prepared an order for the entire menu.

Moreover, many creative evenings, performances, literary readings, even festivals were held in the cafe, once every three weeks we held art vernissages, so there was no time for sleep, and no time for poetry.

Since 2000 I have switched to TV. Author's daily program “Not a day without a line. American Press Review ”this fall will be 21 years old. In 2003, two more TV programs appeared that still exist: the daily "Morning Run" and the Sunday evening prime time "Press Club". In parallel, I hosted a radio program in the evening prime time, and was the editor-in-chief (and, of course, wrote articles), first in the weekly Telenedelya, and then in the rapidly popular weekly Metro.

In short, in 2011 I was invited to speak at Boston College by Professor Maxim Shrayer, and I have everything old, read dozens of times, with which I did not want to go out in front of the public. I signed for several months before the performance, at first nothing worked at all, but somehow this cart moved from its place - and off we go, until today, thank God, day. In February of this year, the Moscow publishing house "Formaslov"My tenth book has already been published. So, when they make a toast "welcome back!", Or even "with the resurrection!" - I join.

Photo: Shutterstock

What is poetry to you? Regular work or a rush of inspiration? That is, is it possible to write poetry according to some kind of schedule, or is it always an unexpected surge of inspiration that cannot be planned?

As you can say about any other business: there are options. The main thing, and this is a red line in Beckett's work, is that "everything that happens to you is not your business." If you don't write it, that's okay: I've noticed a long time ago that a pause of several days, or even weeks (yes, even at 18!) Is quite good - energy is accumulating. As with a meeting with your beloved, if you have not seen each other for some time, feelings intensify, desires intensify, attention is concentrated on details, and you see the whole more precisely.

At the same time, if you write often, then the intensity of writing, freshness in sensations, and the sharpness of the eye can be lost. I think the same picture is in relation to other main archetypes known along with the "poet": saint, hero, sage, prophet ... I think composers represent this very well: in any musical composition one of the main ones is where to pause, and what duration it should be.

If we traditionally consider that poetry is the work of the soul, then here it is easy to move on to the topic “the poet and the person who represents him”; or "a personality - and a poet who restlessly settled down in him." How much do poet and personality annoy each other? Do they correspond to each other, which in literature has been sufficiently beaten, because with a small personality there can be a large, significant poet, and vice versa. And does not the poet occupy a place in the personality due to the loss of a number of personal qualities - and here is the already well-known problem of "genius and villainy".

After all, who does Apollo demand for a sacred sacrifice: whether a poet, often irresponsibly spitting on the mercantile, secular, prosaic side of life; or a person who, for example, having started drinking moderately alcohol and putting in order at least one of the two costumes, will help the poet to live more or less comfortably?

It's another matter whether the poet needs comfort, how much does he run from mental trauma and stress? It is quite possible that this is his creative environment, without which little meaningful will be born, and here is a direct path to conflict between a prudent personality and an unlimited poet.

Perhaps Carl Jung had something close in mind in his textbook work Soul and Myth: Six Archetypes: “Outside, people are more or less civilized, but inside they are still savages. Something in a person stubbornly refuses to abandon its origins, while something else believes that all this has long been left behind. "

In other words, you can approach your questions like this: while the poet is not writing, his personality also rests, departs from previous inspirations, and is glad, perhaps, for this respite; and when the divine verb begins to touch the ear, then not every person is ready to withstand this for a long time. Maybe not written - and thank God! Like a racetrack, a jockey can drive a horse to death if he doesn't take care of keeping it in check and giving it a break. Sorry for such a physiological comparison.

Perhaps the poet-personality dualism is reflected in this satire of mine, written eight years ago:

My wife warmed my breakfast,
Then - lunch, and later - dinner.

She is of course in love
Such a significant husband.

Children from school - and come on
Sit on my knees with me

Just have time to fight back:
“You are a genius, dad! Just a genius! "

There are no relatives,
Who would be indifferent to me

And did not know my verse by heart
Always and only perfectly.

And the whole great country
From San Francisco to New Jersey

Like a brand of valuable wine
He has been holding my poems for years.

Geopolitician, brother poet,
The electorate of all parties together

Convinced: I am the best color
Any literary card.

And the literary critic himself, on the go
Noting rhymes coincidence

Whispers them at night, his lips
Without controlling movement.

And, in fact, all business,
And you, the reader, are a witness to that:

There are endings with "s",
But if you own the technique and

Know the endings with "at"
And many other endings

Then you can easily consider:
Already masterpieces behind.

Prefixes, suffixes don't count,
And even the root of the word - in fig:

There is an ending - honor
And the gratitude of the whole era.

A simple example, wherever,
But if you slow down:

There is an ending - you are a husband,
But no - on a stick of something.

In everyday life and in heroism, in work,
Whether in chocolate or syrup:

No ending - where are you?
Do not hesitate, not in Europe.

So iambic teaches us and trochee,
Trediakovsky and Derzhavin:

Before the end, master -
And you will pass the exam of life.

And you will defeat these, and those
Who doubted your gift:

An example of this is this text,
That at this moment you have finished reading.

By the way, who did you just ask: a poet or a person? For example, I cannot say with complete certainty which of them answered your questions now. Both the poet and the person are always older than me, a participant in this interview, I do not know them as well as I would like. Also, for example, we (do not) know our mom and dad, and yet Heine warned: "You have to be very careful in choosing your parents." Let me remind you that all kinds of writers Plato generally proposed to drive out of the borders of his ideal state.

You were born in Ukraine, lived in Russia, then in America, have connections with Israel. How do you identify yourself? Gennady Katsov - Ukrainian, Russian, American, Jew or just a man of the world?

To be honest, I haven’t decided yet. Therefore, I will use the tips of three outstanding emigrants of the first, second and third waves. Vladimir Nabokov wrote: "My head speaks English, my heart speaks Russian, and my ear speaks French ..."

The statement of Joseph Brodsky is widely known: “I am a Jew, a Russian poet and an American citizen”; he also has this option: "I am a Russian poet, an English essayist and an American citizen."

I am closer to the statement of the outstanding poet of the second wave of immigration Igor Chinnov, whom Georgy Adamovich called the first poet after Georgy Ivanov, who died in 1958: “I lived in France for nine years and did not become a Frenchman. About seven years in Germany. And he didn't become a German either. I now have American citizenship. But I am a Russian emigrant. "

I haven’t lived in France or Germany all the time, but I’ve been in the United States for 32 years now: I’m a Russian emigrant. And then - you can add according to the list and to taste.

Does immigration change a person? Do you think you would be a different person now if you stayed in Russia?

Would be different anyway. I emigrated from the USSR in January 1989, and for so many years, even if I had stayed there, undoubtedly, I would have changed a lot. Over the years, I managed to get to Moscow only once, in March 1997. Yesterday, in a telephone conversation with a Muscovite who had arrived in New York, I recalled this trip. And he received in response: "It was a different country." Undoubtedly, because that country is not on the map today. So I also became different. And those whom I left there for all these years changed themselves and became different for me, with all the logically conditioned inevitability.

But I understand that your question is somewhat different. In fact, and even arithmetically, I have lived half of my life in one country, and the other half in another. As Brodsky wrote piercingly, “… forget one life - a person needs at least one more life. And I have lived this share. " Immigration, of course, changes a person. Whom how. I knew those whom emigration crippled, changed to the point of losing their individuality - there were also those among them who, at the barely appeared opportunity, returned back; there are also many examples, in the overwhelming majority, of how people find themselves here, realize themselves well, are successful and prosperous. And this is despite the fact that if you arrived in another country for permanent residence after 20-25 years, then you are clearly faced with a problem with a foreign language, which you have to not only learn, but every day for many hours in it and speak and understand what was said in your adress; with incomprehensible traditions, strange mentality, not of some Americans, but of your housemates and colleagues at work; with a system of values, which you have been delving into for years, and with a legal order, with which it is better not to deal.

At the same time, if you look from a creative point of view, the famous acmeist poet, critic and emigrant Georgy Adamovich designated the conditions in which the poet finds himself in emigration as "metaphysical luck." For an emigrant (and an emigrant in the current circumstances as well), this means that in an atmosphere of complete isolation from the cultural and socio-political life of their native country, finding themselves outside its borders and outside the Russian mass reader, writers are left alone with the world order. And they feel most keenly what the mission of the Poet is and the danger of a global crisis of culture - and a global crisis in general. “Metaphysical Luck” is a prize in the creative life of the poet-emigrant, just as in everyday life the emigration from Bolshevik Russia in 1923 was a gain and salvation for Adamovich.

As a poet, artist and journalist, what do you think and feel about 2020? A pandemic, violent protests in the United States, not the easiest elections? ..

Believe it or not, these bleeding topics can be found in my book, On the Western Front, published in February. Poems about the war of 2020 ". In it, I expressed in a poetic form what I think on these occasions, what I feel and what I suffer from, since the year was not easy, and perhaps the first in a series of disturbing, if not catastrophic, years from various points of view. It is clear that there is a common trouble for the whole world - the COVID-19 pandemic, with its distancing and quarantine, in which the textbook freedoms of Western democracy were largely infringed:

in a hollow concrete-covered silence
the voice of the rook who arrived in March

the downpour passed by a tea ceremony
splashing along the side of the road in the afternoon

the stench of caries in the jaws of the shop window
and stuck passerby until Saturday
with the new fate of the quarantine pariah
flute masters without sleep and without skin

he is shocked him stuffy and dreary
I want to hang myself for a drink and
just imagine in the age of computers
he watches the glass day and night ...

And the present misfortune of civilizationscountries in the form of political correctness imposed on their teeth, cancel culture with the throwing away of books from libraries and the demolition of monuments. And a real American tragedy with slogans of racial, gender and social equality in the form of the so-called "peaceful protests" that we saw in American urban areas captured by pogromists and looters throughout the summer and early fall of 2020.

you became one-armed in kenosha,
you became disabled in kenosha:

now there is no wear on the right hand
I will not be happy - I will pick up

you became one-eyed in seattle
you became disabled in seattle:
not those would have knocked out, so these -
this is, in fact, the tale

you became one-ear in chicago,
you became disabled in chicago -

and you even hear better,
although it could be one of two

you became one-legged in new york,
you became disabled in new york:

oshuyu walk to the morgue
now your fate, son

you are completely killed in portland,
you became a solid corpse in portland,

but how could you? because you were a friend
you were a friend to all of us

you became a tear in washington
flowed out of the eye in washington

that was knocked out in Seattle,
and there was a farsighted in portland

you are in the city of god, finally
in some Adelaide,

where they walk upside down and see
that senka is a crown for everyone

The book consists of three parts ("Covidias", "Actualities", "Personalities") - and all the texts are devoted to the themes of America torn apart by contradictions, with its seemingly unenviable fate, put at stake by politicians and those in power. After all, no one in the United States is immune from a repetition of the civil war, and recent events show that we live on a powder keg. At the same time, it seems that one of the teams playing global poker not only uses a marked deck, but also intimidates opponents, jury members and spectators, knowing full well that only by such methods, under the as always good slogans about protecting democracy and caring for about a person, they can seize power and lead the country all of its bright future, or, like a poet, "the entire length of darkness."

Photo from the personal archive of Gennady Katsov

Unfortunately, there are enough examples in history to imagine how all this could end. Unfortunately, all of us today are hostages of this situation, and if we do not try to resist, then its victims.

empires fall with thunder
the throne staggers before the throne -

following the fate modestly,
keep your last patron

then the spring crisis will come,
then the oil crisis is behind it -

be incorruptible with the angel of evil,
resist at any cost

if the pestilence attacks, suppose
on the city and chops off the shoulder:

do not drift, you must not die -
choose the place and hour yourself

there are hands of fate - be a fish in them:
slide, don't give up, swim ...

to become a victim - there can be no choice
neither yours nor your counterparts

On the one hand, the main background in the book is pessimistic ("as if you were born in captivity / and you know all the signs / we won that war / and we will lose this ..."), and on the other, there remains the belief that reason will defeat progressive socialism in America; capitalist values ​​with constitutional freedoms will withstand a monstrous pressure, and, to be absolutely optimistic, beauty, as the classic bequeathed to us, will save the world!

What advice would you give to new immigrants who have recently moved to the United States?

Since we have already moved, and at such a difficult time for the country, please be patient. Learning English, which is vital, and immersion in it is for a long time, as well as comprehension of society, its traditions, culture, laws and habits, its pluses and minuses, which are many, as in any open society. Here, as they say, "Come in - don't be afraid, come out - don't cry!"

First of all, do not make unambiguous conclusions - they are not only hasty, at the initial stage, but also erroneous, most likely. If you are young, go to study: a higher education diploma still makes sense. If you are still young, but not young enough to study - look for a job, do not follow the path of receiving benefits - this is the road to nowhere.

Let it be comforting to you that America is indeed a country of great opportunity and many succeed in achieving their goals in it. If you want to work, you will definitely build something; if you want to do nothing and be a bum - in the United States today there is a high probability that you will succeed. But I like it better to use the chances to understand the meaning of my individual, therefore unique project and to realize it. There is also the topic of your own identity, your roots and value system, ideas about the world that are important not to lose in America - and this is what you add to the American melting pot. What I sincerely wish you!

let everyone remember at least his own:
name, where, where, for what ...

time is an endless transparent carpet,
boring ornament in which it is stolen

the rustle of the desert, the longing of the wasteland,
thread for the warp, itself woven:

each is a fragment in it, a sketch, raw,
a copy of someone's forgotten scanner

this ornament seems to have attracted
a thief who is faithful to unconsciousness:

everyone - comes here as an excuse
to sentence him to death

life is like a remnant when they cherish
contour with almost disappearing fat:

here Shakespeare would say very good !,
if he was born and lived in Stratford.

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